Polisen
Climate warning
Climate warning
Leo Alexander
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Swedish police & fossil fueled vehicles
When time for purchasing new car models the swedish police chooses to go with 300-horsepower gas powered Volvo V90 instead of electric alternatives. This deal stretches for the coming 8 years. - Since 2005, Swedish authorities have been required to purchase an increasing proportion of environmental vehicles. Now the Swedish police have chosen to buy in 2,200 vehicles, apparently without setting environmental requirements, says 2030-sekretariatets vd Jakob Lagercrantz. There are police forces around the world that is looking for electric alternatives, and the options are there. This decision from the swedish police is not in line with reaching set environmental goals. The authorities should lead the way in a green transition. This is a step in the wrong direction. Read more (swedish): https://www.vibilagare.se/nyheter/elbilar-inget-svenska-polisen
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We fully understand that the authority's latest police car agreement can create the belief that the police authority does not take responsibility for its climate impact. The police authority does not exclude the use of electric cars, but has a number of operational requirements that needs to be met. For many hours of the day, police cars are the workplace for our police officers. This means that they must primarily be functional from a road safety perspective and a work environment perspective. Since the distances a police car needs to drive during a shift can be quite far, there is also a minimum requirement for how far a car should be able to go without having to stop to refuel or recharge. The police cars contain a lot of electronic equipment and other equipment so that the police can carry out their mission in an efficient manner. This equipment needs a steady power supply to work and makes the car heavier. The police car must also be able to stand still for longer periods of time, for example at an accident site, with working lights and electronic equipment. The cars that the police authority buys needs to meet all the above requirements. In the procurement referred to, electric cars were not excluded. However, the police authority did not receive any tenders that included electric cars that met the requirements for a safe execution of the assignment. The police authority have police cars with the same capability throughout the country, which enables vehicles to be moved within the country when needed. For patrolling in the immediate area, there are local police areas that use electric bicycles and bicycles, in addition to cars. There are police authorities in other countries that use electric cars in their operations. These are in many cases smaller cars which have a lower police capability and are located in places where driving distances are not that far. Within the Swedish police today, all vehicles must have the same capability, which means that these smaller electric cars cannot be used. The police authority has a collaboration with other Nordic countries and shares experiences on, among other things, new concepts in the vehicle area, and this also includes attempts to introduce so-called “city police cars” in Denmark. An important issue that also needs to be considered in this context is the risk of fire linked to electric vehicles. Electric cars with a damaged battery can start to burn. The battery pack is often located in the base plate. Police cars sometimes need to be able to get around in rugged terrain, which means that many police cars get chassis damage. Getting a chassis damage on an electric car can mean damage to the battery, which can cause a risk of so-called thermal rush. For security reasons, police cars are placed in garages. Should an electric car fire break out in the garage, it could have major consequences for the remaining vehicle fleet and thus also the police ability to carry out their assignment. An electric car fire in a garage is also a complicated fire for the rescue service to handle. In some municipalities, the rescue service does not smoke dive in garages where it is known that an electric car is on fire. Another current issue when talking about electric cars is the charging speed. Police vehicles are used in shifts and as soon as one shift ends, the car should basically be ready for the next shift. Electric cars need to be recharged between shifts, with the alternative that the police need to buy more vehicles which also has an environmental impact. In December 2020, the police authority decided on an environmental plan for 2021-2024. During this period, the authority aims to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from transport by 20 percent per km and per annual workforce. With existing operational requirements and the existing vehicle fleet and incoming new vehicles, this is a challenge, but the police authority estimates that there are a number of measures that can be implemented. The environmental plan's activities include that the police authority must use HVO 100 and other environmentally friendly fuels in the vehicles when possible and reasonable in terms of distance to the petrol station. All civilian vehicles purchased must also be climate bonus cars (according to förordning (2020:486) om miljö- och trafiksäkerhetskrav för myndigheters bilar). In addition, the police authority will investigate opportunities for innovative collaborations with manufacturers, e.g. by trying vehicles such as climate bonus cars as police vehicles. The police authority is aware that the police needs to contribute to reduced climate change. We need to be proactive in our collaboration with the automotive industry. We need to analyse the risks of electric cars in our garages. We also need to be responsive because the measures we take, such as using HVO 100, generate environmental problems in other parts of the world, which is why we need to evaluate this type of measure on an ongoing basis and look for other possible alternatives. We work to be able to carry out our mission to make Sweden safe and secure in a way that minimizes our climate impact. Replacing police vehicles with electric cars is, however, a longer process than just buying and replacing, which we hope we have clarified through the description above.
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A change of the law that would otherwise introduce shorter distance patrols that would accommodate EVs or other alternative green energy powered vehicles would be a step ahead in government's involvement in spearheading green energy transport solutions.
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Great warning
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Here are some examples from other countries of what Polisen could use: Model 3 police car and there are several in the US that have electric cars. https://electrek.co/2020/06/30/tesla-model-3-police-cars-faster-roi-police-chief/ Kona police car in EU countries https://thedriven.io/2020/05/19/european-police-fleets-love-hyundais-electric-cars/ Nissan leaf in the UK https://uk.motor1.com/news/401004/gloucestershire-police-nissan-electric-vehicles/
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Well, from a policing point of view, what will work best? A superfast GT or an electric trafficbeater? IRMC...
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The Swedish police reply seems like it makes lots of sense to me. I think that EV version II might better meet their exacting needs
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It sounds like the police could have used some expert help for this procurement.
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A great thanks to the Swedish police for a thorough and honest explanation. I’m glad you’re using HVO 100 without palm oil (I myself fuel with Neste MY100 that hopefully will fulfill these requirements). If you cannot use HVO100 you can fuel with Preem evolution + with 50% pine oil. A huge thanks to all police officers for all what you do to keep our long and waste nation safe💚
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The Swedish Police can use their power and put pressure on the car industry and demand sustainable alternatives regarding their vehicle fleet. It’s not all about electric cars, hydrogen cars can be a viable solution.
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We fully understand that the authority's latest police car agreement can create the belief that the police authority does not take responsibility for its climate impact. The police authority does not exclude the use of electric cars, but has a number of operational requirements that needs to be met. For many hours of the day, police cars are the workplace for our police officers. This means that they must primarily be functional from a road safety perspective and a work environment perspective. Since the distances a police car needs to drive during a shift can be quite far, there is also a minimum requirement for how far a car should be able to go without having to stop to refuel or recharge. The police cars contain a lot of electronic equipment and other equipment so that the police can carry out their mission in an efficient manner. This equipment needs a steady power supply to work and makes the car heavier. The police car must also be able to stand still for longer periods of time, for example at an accident site, with working lights and electronic equipment. The cars that the police authority buys needs to meet all the above requirements. In the procurement referred to, electric cars were not excluded. However, the police authority did not receive any tenders that included electric cars that met the requirements for a safe execution of the assignment. The police authority have police cars with the same capability throughout the country, which enables vehicles to be moved within the country when needed. For patrolling in the immediate area, there are local police areas that use electric bicycles and bicycles, in addition to cars. There are police authorities in other countries that use electric cars in their operations. These are in many cases smaller cars which have a lower police capability and are located in places where driving distances are not that far. Within the Swedish police today, all vehicles must have the same capability, which means that these smaller electric cars cannot be used. The police authority has a collaboration with other Nordic countries and shares experiences on, among other things, new concepts in the vehicle area, and this also includes attempts to introduce so-called “city police cars” in Denmark. An important issue that also needs to be considered in this context is the risk of fire linked to electric vehicles. Electric cars with a damaged battery can start to burn. The battery pack is often located in the base plate. Police cars sometimes need to be able to get around in rugged terrain, which means that many police cars get chassis damage. Getting a chassis damage on an electric car can mean damage to the battery, which can cause a risk of so-called thermal rush. For security reasons, police cars are placed in garages. Should an electric car fire break out in the garage, it could have major consequences for the remaining vehicle fleet and thus also the police ability to carry out their assignment. An electric car fire in a garage is also a complicated fire for the rescue service to handle. In some municipalities, the rescue service does not smoke dive in garages where it is known that an electric car is on fire. Another current issue when talking about electric cars is the charging speed. Police vehicles are used in shifts and as soon as one shift ends, the car should basically be ready for the next shift. Electric cars need to be recharged between shifts, with the alternative that the police need to buy more vehicles which also has an environmental impact. In December 2020, the police authority decided on an environmental plan for 2021-2024. During this period, the authority aims to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from transport by 20 percent per km and per annual workforce. With existing operational requirements and the existing vehicle fleet and incoming new vehicles, this is a challenge, but the police authority estimates that there are a number of measures that can be implemented. The environmental plan's activities include that the police authority must use HVO 100 and other environmentally friendly fuels in the vehicles when possible and reasonable in terms of distance to the petrol station. All civilian vehicles purchased must also be climate bonus cars (according to förordning (2020:486) om miljö- och trafiksäkerhetskrav för myndigheters bilar). In addition, the police authority will investigate opportunities for innovative collaborations with manufacturers, e.g. by trying vehicles such as climate bonus cars as police vehicles. The police authority is aware that the police needs to contribute to reduced climate change. We need to be proactive in our collaboration with the automotive industry. We need to analyse the risks of electric cars in our garages. We also need to be responsive because the measures we take, such as using HVO 100, generate environmental problems in other parts of the world, which is why we need to evaluate this type of measure on an ongoing basis and look for other possible alternatives. We work to be able to carry out our mission to make Sweden safe and secure in a way that minimizes our climate impact. Replacing police vehicles with electric cars is, however, a longer process than just buying and replacing, which we hope we have clarified through the description above.
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Thanks for your comprehensive answers and that you at least use HVO 100 (hopefully without Palm Oil)! 💚
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Clear, disagree somewhat on the fire hazard issue, That you still are using recycled fuel! Neste oil is one of those with replacements for diesel. I hope a larger pilot with 20 EV or plugins (hybrid) can take place. To clarify, you don't have hybrid's either? And you use EV as a name for all electrified vehicles.?
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We now know your points, I appreciate the effort and openness. However, many of the reasons do not have a basis when it comes to updated information. Electric vehicles have come a lot far from where it was 3 years ago. Your fleet managers need to look into this again. I am not going to go through those here as I sure my friends here will target each of points and up to date you. All I want to say, the whole point of this climate warning is to shake someone to wake or push any authority to act by explaining the seriousness of the climate crisis so it can rectify the wrong practice. You mentioned twice that Police has the policy to keep the same capability vehicles all over the country so it can share it whenever and wherever. Your policymakers need to understand the seriousness of the crisis and change policies ASAP that don’t serve the people or the local environment well. We don’t have the time to hang on to a half a century old ideology based on military logistics thinking when our planet is on fire and humans are suffering in every situation, even has great chances of extinction! The lives that police saves every year, those Diesel engines probably take as many. Please show seriousness and act on this sooner. We have huge confidence and dependency on the police. Thank you for your service.
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The requirements would most likely be met with a reinforced Rivian truck fitted with a fuel cell range extender. In the cities, Mirai is probably a great option.
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Wow, what a detailed and comprehensive answer. If only all police forces were so thoughtful.
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Why not buy hybrid and at least reduce the impact?
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Dear Leo Alexander Thank you for getting your climate warning to level 2! We have reached out to Polisen and asked for a response. I will keep you updated on any progress! /Adam We Don't Have Time
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This happen to the Dutch requirements as well some years ago.. Almost no hybrid's as Mercedes had none and no full EV's.
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